Jo Kaird: In your essay On the Aesthetics of the ...
(ed. Jo Kaird refers to 'In the Aesthetics of the Real' published 2014)

Melle June: I don't want to talk about that.

JK: Why not?

MJ: I wrote that last year, it's a little outdated and ... (chuckles)

JK: Is it untrue?

MJ: Yes, well, perhaps just outdated, I mean ... You see, I have wholly different views on reality now. And also on aesthetics.

JK: How are they different from then?

MJ: Well, you see, it's ... it's hard to discuss something you don't think anymore. I mean. I can think it, just... I think sometimes it may be hard to agree with something you have thought but don't necessarily think anymore.

JK: Can you elaborate?

MJ: Well, it gets in the way of the reality of now. It is something you have dealt with, and closed ...

JK: So it holds no truth for you, anymore?

MJ: I could still agree with it, if I read it, I suppose. Yes, I think I could, but it obfuscates my current state of mind, you know, the past, it does. It's pretty much like hearing your own voice, recorded.

JK: What is your current view of what you call 'the real'?

MJ: I'm not sure right now.

JK: Can you try?

MJ: I can't come up with something right here.

JK: ...

MJ: You want that, don't you? (laughs)

JK: I think you can.

MJ: You see I think reality could be a map of concepts of highly adaptive nature, spanning far and wide. Being something we can exploit to its fullest, with ease. Well, then, in that case it saddens me to see this is not the case.

JK: You want people to play around with reality?

MJ: Uhm, well, the reality of the artwork plays the role of a fiction within the reality of the real. But this goes for any institution, social or not. Therefore the reality we define as such could easily be fiction and vice versa. This results in the fiction of the artwork, for me, becoming the reality of the everyday.

JK: The artwork becoming the reality of the everyday. Can you elaborate on that?

MJ: I thought it was quite obvious, but it's ... It's the, uhm, yes, you see how when reality and fiction is the same you do everything, and yet... uhm, you don't do anything at all?

JK: I don't think I understand.

MJ: It's waking up from a dream, and... uhm, I suppose it's waking up from a dream and it being the next day, of the dream.

JK: Reality becomes fiction?

MJ: I don't know.

'Essay' originally published as part of an interview with Melle June, Jo Kaird, Browse (2015). Copyright © Melle June/Jo Kaird.

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